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Graham Day & The Forefathers, Bethnal Green Working Men's Club, 2013 |
Graham Day, the Medway powerhouse singer, songwriter and
guitarist, formed the Prisoners at school in the late 70s and made four albums,
including the bona fide classic The Last
Fourfathers in 1985, which continue to inspire and thrill today. After a
cooling off period following the demise of the Prisoners he headed a succession
of bands – the Prime Movers, Planet, the Solarflares, Graham Day & the
Gaolers – all tough and uncompromising; his music – granite slabs of his own
unmistakable brand of garage rock with tough melodies – eschewing the vagaries
of fashion. After the second Graham Day & the Gaolers album, Triple Distilled in 2008, he hung up his
guitar until last year when, with long-standing friends and bandmates Allan
Crockford and Wolf Howard, he returned, to the delight of his legion of fans,
to front Graham Day & the Forefathers, playing songs spanning the whole of
his career to date.
I was delighted to finally pin Graham down (figuratively speaking) for a rare interview.
What has the
reaction been to Graham Day & the Forefathers? Is it what you expected?
It’s been
fantastic and pretty unexpected I suppose. We never intended to make it a
regular thing but the reaction has been so good we decided to carry on for a
while.
You made two great
albums as Graham Day & the Gaolers and then disappeared. What happened?
What were you doing the meantime?
For me the
Gaolers were amazing. I’d sort of retired and had been playing bass with the
Buff Medways. Billy [Childish] decided that had run its course and that was
that, but my mate Dan from a band called the Woggles was over in England
visiting some friends and we met up in London for a beer. He told me I should
start a new band with him and the Woggles bass player. Sounded like a great
idea so they flew back over a couple of months later and we made the first
Gaolers album, Soundtrack To The Daily
Grind. There were no real plans to tour as it was a bit of a logistical nightmare
with them both being in the USA but it was so good we just had to. It sort of
carried on from there. I thought our second album, Triple Distilled, was the best thing I’ve ever done and we did some
great tours, but touring takes so much energy and time, and we could never do
single gigs as it was too expensive to bring Dan over so we ended up not
playing again. I’ve never said it was finished but it sort of fizzled out. What
was I doing in the meantime? Retired again I suppose.
What made you get
back out there playing again in 2013?
The Prime Movers
did our first album, Sins Of The
Fourfathers, on a German label, Unique Records. Last year was their
25th anniversary and they asked us to play a one-off show playing
that album at their party near Dusseldorf. It sounded like a fun plan but
too much effort to just play one gig, so we added three gigs and made it a mini-tour.
It also wasn’t interesting or long enough just to play songs off that
album so we added a few Solarflares and Prisoners songs to the set. It was so
much fun and went down really well so we decided to carry on doing it. But
by the end of the mini-tour we’d dropped most of the Prime Movers songs and
were playing more Solarflares, Prisoners and a couple of Gaolers songs so
it seemed ridiculous to call it the Prime Movers any more. So we came up
with the Forefathers because of the Prisoners reference and stuck my name on
the beginning just to tie up the fact we were playing songs I’d written in all
the bands over the years.
The Prime Movers
changed quite dramatically across three albums, most notably with Arc in 1993 which had a strong prog-rock
feel. What are your thoughts on those albums?
I love the first album. It’s totally raw and full of
energy. We recorded it as a three-piece but never gigged as a three-piece. Fay
[Hallam/Day] used to join us on stage for half the set and then started writing
songs and was soon with us full time. The band changed pretty quickly due to
Fay’s influence. I have no idea what really happened to the sound, it turned
into Deep Purple during the next two albums, and live I thought it was great,
although pretty self-indulgent and very strange. I was quite happy to go along
with it at the time because it was something different but looking back on it I
don’t understand it at all. It sounds totally alien and often laughable, like a
piss take. When people talk about the Prime Movers I’ve subconsciously deleted
those last two albums – Earth Church
and Arc - and think of it as nothing
to do with me although I’m undoubtedly guilty as charged.
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The Prisoners, 100 Club, 1985 |
How do you feel
about the esteem The Prisoners are held in?
It’s always
puzzled me how much people go on about the Prisoners. At the time we did okay
in London and France but elsewhere we were pretty unknown and played a lot of
gigs to bar staff in mostly empty venues. I never thought of the band as
being particularly special; everyone we knew was in a band and it seemed
just the normal thing to do. I thought we were pretty good live but never
managed to make a record which did us justice. It was the wrong time for
our music; the popular thing was New Romantic and recording studio engineers
tried to make us sound like the music of the time. We had constant frustrating
battles trying to explain what we were about and never getting it. The press
mostly hated us and said were out of date and just retro shit.
Have the Prisoners overshadowed your work since?
The adoration
people have shown that band over the years astounds me. It’s very touching but
has also been annoying at times. Most of the stuff I’ve done since has
been fairly well received but totally overshadowed by the Prisoners. Every
gig people shout for Prisoners songs and it made me feel like they just
wanted a nostalgia trip and weren’t prepared to let me move on. Sometimes
people get quite aggressive about it and think I owe them something. Promoters
would ring up to offer a gig but they wanted a Prisoners reunion, not the
current band. For a songwriter that can be quite damaging, as if my musical
career ended at age 22 and has been worthless ever since. There’s no point
carrying on unless you really think what you’re doing is the best stuff
you’ve ever done and with a couple of exceptions I’ve always believed that. So
it has been frustrating to think that no-one else agrees with you.
No chance of any more Prisoners reunions then?
There are still
people who want the original Prisoners line-up to get back together, which will
never happen again, and it still manages to piss me off. We did some reunion
gigs in the 90s and although nostalgic it just wasn’t the same. People
have to realise that Johnny [Symons] has never played the drums since so
was never relaxed or particularly good when we played and James [Taylor] has
made a career out of jazz funk and plays the organ totally differently
than he used to; which might be brilliant but unfortunately doesn’t work too
well with those songs. Promoters will pay ten times our normal fee to get
something which simply doesn’t work, that doesn’t make any sense, and I find it
quite insulting that they wouldn’t understand that. The best thing about
the Forefathers is that finally I’ve been able to stop fighting against the
Prisoners. This is not a new band playing new material; it’s just about
embracing the past and enjoying it for what it is. For the first time I’ve been
able to appreciate those old songs and have found it quite emotional. Of course
we’re now giving the audience what they’ve always wanted so the gigs are no
longer a battle and are just one big happy party.
Am I right in thinking
you look back at the Solarflares period the most fondly?
I loved the
Solarflares. I wrote some of my best songs during that period and also learnt
how to sing properly. It started off being quite popular but support dwindled
slowly until it wasn’t worth doing it any more. We did some great tours
and I look back fondly because we had such a laugh and got on so well together.
For the first time we made some records which sounded like the band and I
learnt how to produce decent records. I wouldn’t say I look back most
fondly at that period; at the time yes, but I’ve enjoyed most things I’ve done
and as I said earlier I always believe the current stuff is the best.
Following that logic I would have to say the Gaolers was the best period. The
happiest period is right now I suppose but that doesn’t count as it’s just
a tribute band of ourselves.
If the Solarflares
had been your first band in the early 80s and the Prisoners later do you think
they’d been judged differently?
Maybe it would be the exact reverse but I’m not sure.
There was something really cool about the Prisoners, maybe because we were so
young and because of the conflict between me and James which made it explosive
at times. I think the Flares were more measured, happier and less cool as a
result.
As well as
fronting bands you’ve been in Thee Mighty Caesars and the Buff Medways. How was
it taking a more back seat role to Billy Childish?
I started playing
drums in the Mighty Caesars in 1986 while the Prisoners were still going and I
loved it. I was getting pissed off with the Prisoners and loved the freedom to literally
take a back seat and bash away on the drums in a cracking rock and roll
band without the hassle of singing and feeling responsible for it. Some people
got really angry that I did that. When we were gigging one night after the
Prisoners split up someone from the audience grabbed me and shouted at me to
stop playing this shit and get the Prisoners back together. I never played the
drums before but loved it and still do. Same playing bass in the Buff Medways;
I loved that for the same reasons. I’m not sure I would like playing guitar in
someone else’s band, and definitely wouldn’t sing for anyone else, but on
a different instrument it’s great fun.
In what ways are
you similar and different to Billy?
Billy and I are
very different. We used to live in the same house during the Prisoners days and
we’ve always got on really well. He’s much more driven than me, always doing
something; be it songs, painting or writing, I’m the opposite and only do
something if I’m inclined to. He will record every song he’s ever written and
I’m much more self-critical and will bin a lot of stuff before I even play
it to anyone else. His life is in the public eye and is a living
breathing ‘artiste’ and social commentator; I’m just a normal bloke with a
proper job and nothing to say who happens to play in a band for a hobby.
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The Buff Medways farewell gig, Dirty Water Club, 2006 |
What inspired you
to learn to play guitar?
I started
off playing bass, playing along to Stranglers and Rezillos songs in my bedroom.
When me and Allan Crockford started a band in 1978 I found I was too fiddly on
the bass and he was a good rhythm guitar player but couldn’t play lead, so we
swapped. When I heard Syd Barrett playing guitar on The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn it blew my mind. I discovered how
you could make a guitar sound so powerful without being ‘rock’ with loads
of unnecessary notes, and it changed the way I viewed the instrument. Similarly
with Steve Marriott’s guitar sound and playing, it made me question what
a typical guitar player is expected to do.
And to write songs?
I found quite
early on that I had some kind of ability to write songs. I suppose it starts
off by being inspired by and developing or even copying other people. I’ve
found over the years that if you try to do something completely original it’ll
be total shit, which is why it’s never been done before. The Prisoners were quite
plagiaristic, embarrassingly so at times. Sometimes I did that because I
thought a song had a great chorus but rubbish verse or vice-versa and wanted to
improve the song. “Midnight To Six Man” is a good example of what I mean. I
always loved the song but hated the chorus so I wrote a different one and
called it “Be On Your Way”. Generally songs have tended to come to me when I’m
trying to sleep at night. I sort of dream about seeing us on stage playing the
song and realise I haven’t written it yet. So I have to get up and whisper it
into a tape recorder because I know it’ll be forgotten in the morning. If a
song doesn’t come together in ten minutes I usually bin it. These days I find
it funny to play some of those songs I wrote as an angst-ridden teenager,
singing some of those angry misogynistic lyrics now aged 50.
Did you always see
yourself as vocalist?
Vocally I
struggled for a long time. I never thought of myself as a singer and all the
people I loved I tried to emulate to disastrous effect. Phil May, Steve
Marriott, all them great soul singers, I quickly realised I wasn’t ever going
to be them and had to try to find my own voice. I think I found it sometime
during the Solarflares period and I’m only really happy with it in recent
years. Just listen to the vocals on Thewisermiserdemelza
to hear one of the main reasons I hate that album.
You mentioned
about some of the songs you wrote as a teenager. How old were you when you
wrote your first album A Taste Of Pink? How do you feel listening
back to them?
I think the
earliest songs I wrote which made that album were “Say Your Prayers” and “Don’t
Call My Name” and I was 16. I still like some of those songs; they have a
beautiful naivety and simplicity which can never be recreated. I’ve always
been very anal about music and consequently I’m very narrow-minded. I think
that’s why on the whole I was still writing songs with 3 or 4 chords, a guitar
riff and a simple melody, recording it in the most basic way possible right up
until the last album.
Does song writing
come easily now or does it involve a lot of concerted effort? What’s your usual
writing method?
I still don’t
understand how I write songs. As I said they just come to me. If I sit down
with a guitar and say right, I’m going to write a song now, it’ll never
happen. I’ve never been someone who always writes songs for fun and
have only ever done it when I’m inspired to by having an album or a new band to
energise me. I think I’m just essentially lazy. Having said that if we’re
recording a new album I’ll probably write a batch of crap first, then the
juices will flow and I can normally come up with the music really quickly.
Lyrics are another matter completely and I hate writing them. I often used
to gig a new song and make the words up as I go along and hope something
sticks. The only real exception to that is the last Gaolers album. I had
so much fun writing those lyrics as they’re all about touring and
past experiences, and some of the best things I’ve written. I absolutely
detest some of the shitty lyrics I’ve written in the past particularly about
conservation or trying to say something meaningful.
Has the
Forefathers got those juices flowing and given you the urge to write any new
material?
Not yet. I do
have some new stuff I wrote before which was for a possible new Gaolers album
and I also started writing an instrumental album but with no real chance of the
Gaolers playing again I gave up.
What made you
choose “Love Me Lies” as the first single to be released by Graham Day and the
Forefathers?
No real reason
actually. We recorded the whole set of backing tracks live and when it came
to choosing one for a single I just felt drawn to that song.
I assumed it was
because you were unhappy with the original on Thewisermiserdemelza. I love that record but you’ve been very
critical of it. Why?
Yes I hate Thewisermiserdemelza for lots of
reasons. One is the real disappointment with the sound. We had Phil
Chevron - rest his soul - as producer; it was the first time we’d had a
producer and we had very different ideas about the album. Fair enough but
it was our album so he should have listened to us. I’ve already said that at
that time studio engineers would try to get you to sound modern and that’s
the last thing we wanted. So from the outset we just fought against the
engineer and producer. Some conflicts can result in a
fiery, energetic battle which can get really good results. This one did
the opposite. Secondly I hate the vocals. I just tried to put on some silly
gruff voice which sounds completely false. Phil to his credit did try to get me
to sing properly but I didn’t listen. It was my 20th birthday during the
recording session and I was just pissed most of the time we were there. Lastly
I just don’t like many of the songs on the album. I was clearly going through
some kind of psychedelic ballad period and just don’t like it.
How has your taste
in music changed/developed over the years? What do you listen to now that you
wouldn’t have when you were starting out?
I don’t really
listen to music that much as I know all my records inside out and I don’t like
modern music. I’m cursed by the love of a certain type of recording sound and
find it incredibly difficult to like anything if it doesn’t sound like
that. I haven’t liked much music since the punk era; although the recording of
punk music is really poor I guess I’ve forgiven it because that’s what I grew
up with.
What three records
have left the most lasting impression on you and why?
Piper At The Gates Of Dawn because Syd Barrett inspired my early guitar
playing; The Pretty Things first album because it introduced me to blues, great
singing and the ultimate sound of rock and roll; and the Kinks Kontroversy because it showed me how good songs can be.
If you had to pick
three of your own albums to best represent your career which would they be and
why?
The Last Fourfathers because it’s the best and most
representative Prisoners album; That Was Then
And So Is This by the Solarflares because we were at our peak then, touring
and loving it; and Triple Distilled
by the Gaolers because it’s the best album I’ve ever made.
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Graham Day & The Gaolers, 100 Club, 2008 |
This interview was conducted on behalf of the New Untouchables Nutsmag and first appeared here. Thanks to Rob Bailey for setting it up and, of
course, to Graham for being so generous with his time and being so open to my interrogation. All photos by Mark Raison.
“Love Me Lies” by Graham Day & The Forefathers is out now on State Records. The band play the 229 Club in London on Friday 31st October 2014, tickets here.